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[Fish-cador]

The idiot who cut that thing up alive is a total loser.

While I personally have no interest in killing a big old ray for a meal, do we actually know that the ray was alive when its wings were removed?

not unless that ray rose from the dead, yes it was alive when it was gutted because it was found alive.

[Fish-cador]

The idiot who cut that thing up alive is a total loser.

While I personally have no interest in killing a big old ray for a meal, do we actually know that the ray was alive when its wings were removed?

Agreed zero proof has been provided of this.

100% the people behind the petition are diver groups.

it was found alive. A dead fish or ray will not last 24 hours in the ocean floor. It will be eaten by sealice and other sea life. That one is obviously alive even in the photo tail stump was up and no signs of being eaten by other sea life

[Delirium]

The idiot who cut that thing up alive is a total loser.

While I personally have no interest in killing a big old ray for a meal, do we actually know that the ray was alive when its wings were removed?

not unless that ray rose from the dead, yes it was alive when it was gutted because it was found alive.

Ok...I missed that bit.

[DougieK]

I'm quite vocally pro conservation but this conversation is a waste of energy. People doing the right thing will keep doing the right thing, people doing the wrong thing, like leaving a dozen dead toadies on the pier, will keep doing the wrong thing.

[Delirium]

The idiot who cut that thing up alive is a total loser.

While I personally have no interest in killing a big old ray for a meal, do we actually know that the ray was alive when its wings were removed?

Agreed zero proof has been provided of this.

100% the people behind the petition are diver groups.

it was found alive. A dead fish or ray will not last 24 hours in the ocean floor. It will be eaten by sealice and other sea life. That one is obviously alive even in the photo tail stump was up and no signs of being eaten by other sea life

But hang on....why would being alive stop other sea life eating a ray that has no wings or tail?

[frozenpod]

The idiot who cut that thing up alive is a total loser.

While I personally have no interest in killing a big old ray for a meal, do we actually know that the ray was alive when its wings were removed?

Agreed zero proof has been provided of this.

100% the people behind the petition are diver groups.

it was found alive. A dead fish or ray will not last 24 hours in the ocean floor. It will be eaten by sealice and other sea life. That one is obviously alive even in the photo tail stump was up and no signs of being eaten by other sea life

The photo of the ray with wings and tail removed looks to be well and truly dead to me.

[cobby]

The idiot who cut that thing up alive is a total loser.

While I personally have no interest in killing a big old ray for a meal, do we actually know that the ray was alive when its wings were removed?

Agreed zero proof has been provided of this.

100% the people behind the petition are diver groups.

Started by a woman who goes by the name PT Hirschfield and runs a blog/facebook group pink tank scuba. So yes, divers and dive groups. Like always, vested interests

Not to mention the blatant lies this woman has been spreading via the media in regards to fisheries regulations and numerous assumptions and insinuations in regards to anglers and our 'barbaric' sport including hundreds of accounts of mutilated, still alive rays laying around.... (un)Surprisingly not one single diver sprouting such torture had a single shred of evidence to the fact. Kind of strange given the amount of pictures and videos said people had of their numerous dives on public display....

And that ray in the pictures with said woman is dead, it's already partially decomposed where it's been cut if you look closely. Another of her lies

[laneends]

What idiot would even attempt to cut wings and tails off a live ray, seems a dangerous way of doing things. If you have a knife sharp and strong enough to do that then you are going to kill it first even if for your own safety.

[laneends]

She even says kayak fishos do this. Cant see a kayaker bringing a live stingray onboard, returning to ramp, carrying it up to a cleaning table and cutting up.. Thats serious hard core man

[cobby]

She even says kayak fishos do this. Cant see a kayaker bringing a live stingray onboard, returning to ramp, carrying it up to a cleaning table and cutting up.. Thats serious hard core man

It's for (il)legal shark bait. Didn't you hear? :bite: