Line twist

[rb85]

It happens same as wind knots. Tangle free guides help.

[Wolly Bugger]

It happens same as wind knots. Tangle free guides help.

Yes wind knots in Braid is caused by line twist.

[j_pap]

I used to take my rod to the park, attach the line to my kite then put a few good quality swivel on just under kite and let the thing go sky high. Once all lines dispersed slowly wound back and this has worked for me everytime. I also clean the salt n sand off the spool when all the lines out, only able to do this if weather permits, it will also grab attention from other park users and dog walkers. :cheers:

I had thought about doing that.

Yeah, I do the same. Not with a kite but walk the line out (without a swivel) so it isn't hindered in "untwisting" as the little weight of the swivel, I have noticed the little weight it has does hinder untwisting if the line isn't loaded and the swivel doesn't spin as freely as it should.

I have also let out a heap of line and walked up a beach dragging it behind be. Walk upwind. I’m not sure this is healthy for the line but it was my only option while on a beach using my holiday gear for the first time since letting my brother in-law and his kids use it. I guess they did a lot of winding with loose drag.

Done it that way too (always as it seems when an over exuberant dog appears straight after I've let the line out grrrrr (that grrrr is me not the dog , , , , but it does get resipricated by the dog too lol) and works well. Damage on the line , , , , nothing worse than what my kids have done to the line

............................It’s important to wind on your line from the spool it’s purchased on in the same direction to your reel spool too.

Do you do this with the spool flat on the ground? I tried it that way...wound on a few metres then stopped, opened bail arm and line coiled off and looped up...turned the spool over and it went fine. Then by the end of the first session I had twist issues which obviously come from casting and retrieving on the day. Thanks in advance.
Jim

On an overhead, the same way it is spooled on

On a spin reel, I do place the spool down flat in the same line direction as the line goes on the reel spool. But as the reel spool is a narrower diameter as the line spool, a twist does appear over a reasonable amount of winds of the handle. When this happens, I flip the spool over, so the line is now coming off the spool in the opposite "wind" than what the line is going on the reel spool.This untwists the line but if you keep winding, an opposite twist appears. So it is a matter of watching the line coming off the line spool. Once a helical spiral (twist) appears, just flip the line spool. Then you should notice the helical spiral straighten and then start helix-ing in the opposite direction , , , , so then again, flip the spool. On & on & on till the line is transferred.

I also use a pencil float between my toes, crocs method, to let the line spool spin on an axle, so the line on the line spool rolls off straight. That way you only have to counter act the spinning reel twists and not a combination of reel and line spool. This is my preferred way.

I try and spool line with a mate, helps having two people. plus a good excuse for a man Cave session.

Oh, I always spool line loose off the spool so as to see the twist. I pinch the line just below the last runner to apply line pressure to lay it on the reel spool, rather than tight wind off the line spool using the drag to lay tension on the layed line. But yes, you wind too fast, it burns. But it is better slow as you can follow what the line twists are doing.



Mate waiting for me to turn the line spool around (oh, and take the photo), as a slight helix is appearing in the line. The more frequent you flip the earlier you stop slightly twisted line going on the reel.

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Line coming off straight, for now


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Then when the line twists (helix) you flip, which rolls the line off in an opposite rotation to untwist, but watch the line, it is gong to straighten then start to twist the other way, so flip again etc etc


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Then, if we feel up to it, we walk the line the length of the yard/driveway, and free wind it in (with tension applied by pinching the line again just above the reel)


Cheers, that's what I do, Bugatti

Nice crocs haha

[rb85]

It happens same as wind knots. Tangle free guides help.

Yes wind knots in Braid is caused by line twist.

Yeah it’s a combination read Fuji’s manual to tangle free guides.

[rb85]

I used to take my rod to the park, attach the line to my kite then put a few good quality swivel on just under kite and let the thing go sky high. Once all lines dispersed slowly wound back and this has worked for me everytime. I also clean the salt n sand off the spool when all the lines out, only able to do this if weather permits, it will also grab attention from other park users and dog walkers. :cheers:

I had thought about doing that.

Yeah, I do the same. Not with a kite but walk the line out (without a swivel) so it isn't hindered in "untwisting" as the little weight of the swivel, I have noticed the little weight it has does hinder untwisting if the line isn't loaded and the swivel doesn't spin as freely as it should.

I have also let out a heap of line and walked up a beach dragging it behind be. Walk upwind. I’m not sure this is healthy for the line but it was my only option while on a beach using my holiday gear for the first time since letting my brother in-law and his kids use it. I guess they did a lot of winding with loose drag.

Done it that way too (always as it seems when an over exuberant dog appears straight after I've let the line out grrrrr (that grrrr is me not the dog , , , , but it does get resipricated by the dog too lol) and works well. Damage on the line , , , , nothing worse than what my kids have done to the line

............................It’s important to wind on your line from the spool it’s purchased on in the same direction to your reel spool too.

Do you do this with the spool flat on the ground? I tried it that way...wound on a few metres then stopped, opened bail arm and line coiled off and looped up...turned the spool over and it went fine. Then by the end of the first session I had twist issues which obviously come from casting and retrieving on the day. Thanks in advance.
Jim

On an overhead, the same way it is spooled on

On a spin reel, I do place the spool down flat in the same line direction as the line goes on the reel spool. But as the reel spool is a narrower diameter as the line spool, a twist does appear over a reasonable amount of winds of the handle. When this happens, I flip the spool over, so the line is now coming off the spool in the opposite "wind" than what the line is going on the reel spool.This untwists the line but if you keep winding, an opposite twist appears. So it is a matter of watching the line coming off the line spool. Once a helical spiral (twist) appears, just flip the line spool. Then you should notice the helical spiral straighten and then start helix-ing in the opposite direction , , , , so then again, flip the spool. On & on & on till the line is transferred.

I also use a pencil float between my toes, crocs method, to let the line spool spin on an axle, so the line on the line spool rolls off straight. That way you only have to counter act the spinning reel twists and not a combination of reel and line spool. This is my preferred way.

I try and spool line with a mate, helps having two people. plus a good excuse for a man Cave session.

Oh, I always spool line loose off the spool so as to see the twist. I pinch the line just below the last runner to apply line pressure to lay it on the reel spool, rather than tight wind off the line spool using the drag to lay tension on the layed line. But yes, you wind too fast, it burns. But it is better slow as you can follow what the line twists are doing.



Mate waiting for me to turn the line spool around (oh, and take the photo), as a slight helix is appearing in the line. The more frequent you flip the earlier you stop slightly twisted line going on the reel.

IMG_20190214_213017a.png


Line coming off straight, for now


IMG_20190324_153508a.png



Then when the line twists (helix) you flip, which rolls the line off in an opposite rotation to untwist, but watch the line, it is gong to straighten then start to twist the other way, so flip again etc etc


un-twist.PNG



Then, if we feel up to it, we walk the line the length of the yard/driveway, and free wind it in (with tension applied by pinching the line again just above the reel)


Cheers, that's what I do, Bugatti

Is that Peter Pakula in those crocks?

[Bugatti]

Cheers, Bugatti

Nice crocs haha

Thanks j_pap.

I was thinking of getting another pair

This pair grabbed me, but may be a bit conservative.

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But with winter approaching, these might be better

croc 1.jpg (4.63 KiB) Viewed 2059 times

But really, how could I resist these croc pumps

Aaaaah, decisions decisions.


Cheers, (about to come out of the closet) Bugatti

[skronkman]

It happens same as wind knots. Tangle free guides help.

I find wind knots in braid to be very dependant on what brand/type of braid I'm using. In general, the more epensive stuff has been bettered but I've had good results some of the cheaper stuff too (j-braid8x seems good and I import cheap 8x from china by the km and it's also fine). The super thin stuff can get frustrating like Ocea and egifire but it's nice to use when conditions are perfect.

Avoid casting into the wind or any wind at all if possible and those tangle free Fuji guides do help. And yeah, untwist you're line.

[skronkman]

Another method I have used once or twice for untwisting line. I have braid-fg knot-leader. Pull about 5-10m of line off your reel through your rod tip, slightly stretch it tight and determine which way your line is twisted. Now, using your fingers or whole hands you can role the leader (near the end) between them to untwist the line, but don't stop once all the twist is out, keep going till you've added a fair bit of new twist in the opposite direction. This can be done pretty quickly with the finger/hand role technique. Tie on a bean sinker to the end of your leader, reel all the line back onto the spool and cast out gently a few times and reel it back in, getting longer each cast ("gently" hopefully stops you from getting a twist caught on a guide immediately after adding opposite twist). The opposite twist will unwind the initial twist in the line from further up the spool as the line tightens as the bean sinker bounces back to you and the line gets taught between bounces. You probably want to do this on water, beach or grass, not concrete, gravel or tarmac.

Repeat the process if you still have twist in the initial direction you were trying to undo.

Also, don't stress if you put a little more reverse twist in your line than required to undo the initial twist. it will sort itself out over time as your line will naturally twist back into the same direction you just undid (assuming your fishing technique/style hasn't changed) .

Monitor edit for clarity.

[meppstas]

What I do when river fishing and get some line twist when using inline blade spinners is to take the lure off open the bail arm and let the line go with the fast water flow.. leave it in the fast water for a few minutes then rewind it back through the fingers as to put it tightly back on the spool..
Some brands of mono fishing line are just crap and the problem will re occur all the time so dump it.. I can remember way back when there was only nylon line and I never had a problem with line twist when spin fishing, now with all these fancy mono filament/ fluorocarbon/copolymer lines it can take a while before you find one that doesn't create any headaches when spin fishing.. Nothing worse when your a kilometre or so up a river and line twist keeps happening, can certainly ruin a good session in a river.....

Cheers
Adrian

[j_pap]

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Cheers, Bugatti

Nice crocs haha

Thanks j_pap.

I was thinking of getting another pair

This pair grabbed me, but may be a bit conservative.


croc 4.jpg


But with winter approaching, these might be better


croc 1.jpg


But really, how could I resist these croc pumps


croc 2.jpg


Aaaaah, decisions decisions.


Cheers, (about to come out of the closet) Bugatti

Get out there mate. Loud n proud. But im not sure you’d get too much attention with old crock pumps haha