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Re: Import or Local

Post by Mattblack » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:26 pm

Be a shame to see all the independent local tackle shops close down...it's good to have a chat with someone that knows what they are talking about (most of the time its other customers) Retail is going to change a lot in the next few years.

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Post by Sinsemilla » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:41 pm

Mattblack wrote:Be a shame to see all the independent local tackle shops close down...it's good to have a chat with someone that knows what they are talking about (most of the time its other customers) Retail is going to change a lot in the next few years.
It's a real big shame.. I love going into a tackle store and mucking around with rods reels and lures.. talking to guys that know fishing.. that's what stores are about. But over the past few years I've been in tackle stores money in hand ready to buy but only if they can get even close to the price of some internet stores and they completely refuse, getting all huffy and telling me about their costs..

I bet there is a heap of guys on here needing medications, scans and specialists that they need to pay for. You reckon the tackle store will care? That's just life.

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Re: Import or Local

Post by smile0784 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:58 pm

Seems like a lot of inflation for business expenses

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Re: Import or Local

Post by Mattblack » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:12 pm

Sinsemilla wrote:
Mattblack wrote:Be a shame to see all the independent local tackle shops close down...it's good to have a chat with someone that knows what they are talking about (most of the time its other customers) Retail is going to change a lot in the next few years.
It's a real big shame.. I love going into a tackle store and mucking around with rods reels and lures.. talking to guys that know fishing.. that's what stores are about. But over the past few years I've been in tackle stores money in hand ready to buy but only if they can get even close to the price of some internet stores and they completely refuse, getting all huffy and telling me about their costs..

I bet there is a heap of guys on here needing medications, scans and specialists that they need to pay for. You reckon the tackle store will care? That's just life.

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They do love the up-sell as well...."you dont want to miss that fish of a life time". Australians have been getting screwed for too long, the retail revolution is here. May be more people will start using the internet to buy, and join fishing clubs to chat?

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Re: Import or Local

Post by rb85 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:45 pm

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Background - Turner and Fitter and toolmaker by trade + Diploma of Mechanical Engineering - Spent last 30+ years of my career Designing / Implementing and Maintaining Quality Management Systems - Now retired.
Rewarding career one that isn’t as prevalent due to various reasons technology, manufacturers. The retail will go down the same path.

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Re: Import or Local

Post by cobby » Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:11 pm

Russ what's the average wage for a fitter and turner? $75k+p/a?... We have one of the highest wage rates across the board in the world period. That attributes to quite a bit Of The overheads in a business, especially when you add in super, tax and other wage related expenditure. No one wants to take a pay cut, just look at the Streets factory workers protesting a cut back to award rates....

By the time you take all that into account, then the r&d into creating the lure (those you bought are 99% likely to be copies), the production line costs, equipment costs, which then becomes the cost of the distributor. Then you add on the distributor costs such as their wages, the shipping, any customised packaging requirements as Australian anglers are mostly just sheep, their warehousing costs, their promo/incentive costs in the hope of increased sales figures from tackle shops. Then you add in the retail shops wages, their shopfront costs, shipping costs and the rest and magically you get to a retail price that you pay or chose not to pay.

Anyone who thinks there's some magical money tree in the fishing industry is a deranged muppet, likely the same people who call up wholesalers thinking they can score a bargain because they have an abn for their sparky business.... And yes I'm in the industry at a wholesale level so I see just how small profit margins really are and I can tell you on some things it's essentially 0...

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Re: Import or Local

Post by 4liters » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:23 pm

One thing I've noticed is that the fishing tackle industry seems to have been very late to the game when it comes to things like online stores, alternative import channels, establishing own branded products and other strategies that seem relatively commonplace in other industries. Even now when it is clear e-commerce is going to be the way of the future there are still heaps of stores that want nothing to do with it and at a wholesale level the industry is hostile towards online-only stores. A lot of stores probably could charge less and still make an acceptable return, but a good way to earn the wrath of the sales reps of the various distributors is to start undercutting prices so most toe the line.

There is a reluctance to throw the old school stores to the wolves by opening up to online-only stores and allowing efficient stores a bit more leeway when it comes to reducing prices so I don't think anything is going to change for consumers anytime soon - although the arrive of Amazon could shake things up a bit.
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Re: Import or Local

Post by Kenle » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:33 pm

Internet shopping will destroy local businesses no doubt but tackle shops will have to be creative around thier marketing strategies to survive which from what ive seen they are pretty good, price match competitors or free bees thrown in etc... I enjoy chatting to experienced ppl that works in these shops n brows around often buying out of impulse. I guess nowadays its all about the bang for your buck, but id be sad if all the tackle shops one day vanish and online is the only place to get your gear.

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Re: Import or Local

Post by russellh2 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:54 pm

Not sure what the average wage for a fitter and turner? $75k+p/a?...( I presume 2017) has to do with my original post.
FYI - I started as a First year Turning and Fitting Apprentice at Caterpillar Australia in Tullamarine on $Au24:00 per week, was a 40 Hours week in those days - Mid 1960's

Strange how we tend to drift "Off Subject".

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Re: Import or Local

Post by drew 2 » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:03 pm

[quote="cobby"]Russ what's the average wage for a fitter and turner? $75k+p/a?... We have one of the highest wage rates across the board in the world period. That attributes to quite a bit Of The overheads in a business, especially when you add in super, tax and other wage related expenditure. No one wants to take a pay cut, just look at the Streets factory workers protesting a cut back to award rates....

Im a "fitter & turner"(mechanical tradesman special class) in the FMCG world, I wouldn't get out of bed for 75k a year.

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