Covid-19 discussion

[cobby]

Over 10,000 have refused the test now from the locked down suburbs.
this will end badly for everyone i think.
get those fishing trips happening fellas, might not get another chance for a while i think.

Them and those returned who've refused the test should have been immediately on the spot fined the $1652. **** them.

[FishnMiss]

Observationally mostly what I see on this forum regarding this so called Pandemic, is ill informed or simple regurgitated spin from media.
Sadly as has been noted, “Common Sense is not so common anymore”
If anyone has cared to watch, read or listen to various comments & even predictions from seasoned health experts, you will note that they are essentially clueless.
From the WHO saying it can’t be transferred by air, then denying it. Refusing (due to China’s Control) to accept Taiwan’s reports in December on how it was being transferred from person to person.
Dr Fauci & Co in Feb stating masks were useless,
then 3 months later saying they lied because they didn’t want the healthcare workers not to have them “Funny”, I guess hospital supplies come from office works, Bunnings, Bowens, Kmart - Seriously Fauci & Co, you obviously know the blokes on this forum and Social will believe Everything you say.

Then we are being streamed 24/7 Covid updates and relying on media with an agenda to spin a story which they feed to Governments to react to.
So we have more “alleged” Covid cases, but how many more deaths???
So every time someone dies from Influenza, Cancer, Heart attack/disease, Diabetes related issues etc will the media Scream it - Nah of Course not.
So again more human rights being destroyed as this thing plays out and everyone loses more rights and freedoms.
I hope somewhere you can all use some independent researching and look at this from all the angles rather than what Fastfood Media is churning out.
Every media agency has a particular agenda, some ultra left wing, Socialist and some may be extreme right wing (if any).
So yeah keep on flogging each other because you know nothing but you make yourself and a couple of others feel better due to your fears and insecurities.
The numbers of “confirmed” cases and deaths have been falsely inflated with ample Global evidence to support this from months of observations.
So there may be some who die from it, but to quote a recent comment from a Research expert and Head ER Specialist, “This can be compared to a bad season of Influenza”
So one needs to ask the question, How many people have not died from Influenza as a result of these measures? Hopefully Thousands.

By the way, Globally it has been shown that Kids are not super spreaders etc and are the most unlikely to get it or pass it on, yet apart from a few countries in Europe & 1 or 2 others, the kids have been stopped from going to school.

So to make those fearful ill informed Sheeple more comfortable, I am not advocating going clubbing, Footy etc.
But it’s ok you can protest, you won’t get Covid - Just joking.
Let’s do our best to protect those at risk.

[Don Fisher]

Observationally mostly what I see on this forum regarding this so called Pandemic, is ill informed or simple regurgitated spin from media.
Sadly as has been noted, “Common Sense is not so common anymore”
If anyone has cared to watch, read or listen to various comments & even predictions from seasoned health experts, you will note that they are essentially clueless.
From the WHO saying it can’t be transferred by air, then denying it. Refusing (due to China’s Control) to accept Taiwan’s reports in December on how it was being transferred from person to person.
Dr Fauci & Co in Feb stating masks were useless,
then 3 months later saying they lied because they didn’t want the healthcare workers not to have them “Funny”, I guess hospital supplies come from office works, Bunnings, Bowens, Kmart - Seriously Fauci & Co, you obviously know the blokes on this forum and Social will believe Everything you say.

Then we are being streamed 24/7 Covid updates and relying on media with an agenda to spin a story which they feed to Governments to react to.
So we have more “alleged” Covid cases, but how many more deaths???
So every time someone dies from Influenza, Cancer, Heart attack/disease, Diabetes related issues etc will the media Scream it - Nah of Course not.
So again more human rights being destroyed as this thing plays out and everyone loses more rights and freedoms.
I hope somewhere you can all use some independent researching and look at this from all the angles rather than what Fastfood Media is churning out.
Every media agency has a particular agenda, some ultra left wing, Socialist and some may be extreme right wing (if any).
So yeah keep on flogging each other because you know nothing but you make yourself and a couple of others feel better due to your fears and insecurities.
The numbers of “confirmed” cases and deaths have been falsely inflated with ample Global evidence to support this from months of observations.
So there may be some who die from it, but to quote a recent comment from a Research expert and Head ER Specialist, “This can be compared to a bad season of Influenza”
So one needs to ask the question, How many people have not died from Influenza as a result of these measures? Hopefully Thousands.

By the way, Globally it has been shown that Kids are not super spreaders etc and are the most unlikely to get it or pass it on, yet apart from a few countries in Europe & 1 or 2 others, the kids have been stopped from going to school.

So to make those fearful ill informed Sheeple more comfortable, I am not advocating going clubbing, Footy etc.
But it’s ok you can protest, you won’t get Covid - Just joking.
Let’s do our best to protect those at risk.

I’d say there would be more cases than what is being reported, no way the reporting can be that accurate. And watching conspiracy videos on you tube is not doing research.

[laneends]

seems "super spreader" is the new buzz word

[benders]

Observationally mostly what I see on this forum regarding this so called Pandemic, is ill informed or simple regurgitated spin from media.
Sadly as has been noted, “Common Sense is not so common anymore”
If anyone has cared to watch, read or listen to various comments & even predictions from seasoned health experts, you will note that they are essentially clueless.
From the WHO saying it can’t be transferred by air, then denying it. Refusing (due to China’s Control) to accept Taiwan’s reports in December on how it was being transferred from person to person.
Dr Fauci & Co in Feb stating masks were useless,
then 3 months later saying they lied because they didn’t want the healthcare workers not to have them “Funny”, I guess hospital supplies come from office works, Bunnings, Bowens, Kmart - Seriously Fauci & Co, you obviously know the blokes on this forum and Social will believe Everything you say.

Then we are being streamed 24/7 Covid updates and relying on media with an agenda to spin a story which they feed to Governments to react to.
So we have more “alleged” Covid cases, but how many more deaths???
So every time someone dies from Influenza, Cancer, Heart attack/disease, Diabetes related issues etc will the media Scream it - Nah of Course not.
So again more human rights being destroyed as this thing plays out and everyone loses more rights and freedoms.
I hope somewhere you can all use some independent researching and look at this from all the angles rather than what Fastfood Media is churning out.
Every media agency has a particular agenda, some ultra left wing, Socialist and some may be extreme right wing (if any).
So yeah keep on flogging each other because you know nothing but you make yourself and a couple of others feel better due to your fears and insecurities.
The numbers of “confirmed” cases and deaths have been falsely inflated with ample Global evidence to support this from months of observations.
So there may be some who die from it, but to quote a recent comment from a Research expert and Head ER Specialist, “This can be compared to a bad season of Influenza”
So one needs to ask the question, How many people have not died from Influenza as a result of these measures? Hopefully Thousands.

By the way, Globally it has been shown that Kids are not super spreaders etc and are the most unlikely to get it or pass it on, yet apart from a few countries in Europe & 1 or 2 others, the kids have been stopped from going to school.

So to make those fearful ill informed Sheeple more comfortable, I am not advocating going clubbing, Footy etc.
But it’s ok you can protest, you won’t get Covid - Just joking.
Let’s do our best to protect those at risk.

I think this might be a good case for proper info without media spin. It seems COVID 19 is a real problem. People die. A lot more than normal.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covi ... deaths.htm

[DougieK]

I dare not comment in the above utter stupidity and monumental misinformation. Remove this post and the person posting it.

[4liters]

Observationally mostly what I see on this forum regarding this so called Pandemic, is ill informed or simple regurgitated spin from media.
Sadly as has been noted, “Common Sense is not so common anymore”
If anyone has cared to watch, read or listen to various comments & even predictions from seasoned health experts, you will note that they are essentially clueless.
From the WHO saying it can’t be transferred by air, then denying it. Refusing (due to China’s Control) to accept Taiwan’s reports in December on how it was being transferred from person to person.
Dr Fauci & Co in Feb stating masks were useless,
then 3 months later saying they lied because they didn’t want the healthcare workers not to have them “Funny”, I guess hospital supplies come from office works, Bunnings, Bowens, Kmart - Seriously Fauci & Co, you obviously know the blokes on this forum and Social will believe Everything you say.

Then we are being streamed 24/7 Covid updates and relying on media with an agenda to spin a story which they feed to Governments to react to.
So we have more “alleged” Covid cases, but how many more deaths???
So every time someone dies from Influenza, Cancer, Heart attack/disease, Diabetes related issues etc will the media Scream it - Nah of Course not.
So again more human rights being destroyed as this thing plays out and everyone loses more rights and freedoms.
I hope somewhere you can all use some independent researching and look at this from all the angles rather than what Fastfood Media is churning out.
Every media agency has a particular agenda, some ultra left wing, Socialist and some may be extreme right wing (if any).
So yeah keep on flogging each other because you know nothing but you make yourself and a couple of others feel better due to your fears and insecurities.
The numbers of “confirmed” cases and deaths have been falsely inflated with ample Global evidence to support this from months of observations.
So there may be some who die from it, but to quote a recent comment from a Research expert and Head ER Specialist, “This can be compared to a bad season of Influenza”
So one needs to ask the question, How many people have not died from Influenza as a result of these measures? Hopefully Thousands.

By the way, Globally it has been shown that Kids are not super spreaders etc and are the most unlikely to get it or pass it on, yet apart from a few countries in Europe & 1 or 2 others, the kids have been stopped from going to school.

So to make those fearful ill informed Sheeple more comfortable, I am not advocating going clubbing, Footy etc.
But it’s ok you can protest, you won’t get Covid - Just joking.
Let’s do our best to protect those at risk.

There's a bit to unpack here.

1. It technically isn't a true airborne virus like the measles is. That's a specific definition for viruses that can be spread over long distances. This coronavirus can be transmitted via airborne droplets but nowhere near the extent that a true airborne virus can.

2. If you recall, hospitals were desperately short of PPE for a few months. There's pictures of nurses wearing bin bags in a NYC hospital because they had run out of gowns. Masks were being microwaved to sterilise them even though it reduced the effectiveness of them because there were no replacements available. The US engaged in what was widely condemned as modern day piracy by getting a cargo flight redirected while it was on the runway in order to get their hands on PPE. NZ had marshals escort a shipment of PPE from China and wouldn't allow the flight to land anywhere on the way to it's destination. There's multiple accounts of states in the US being forced to label boxes of masks as something else to avoid them going stolen. I could go on. The point is, there was such a critical shortage of equipment needed to protect frontline workers who were exposed to coronavirus that it was necessary to dissuade people from buying it up for private use. Yes it would protect a person, but it provides greater protection when used by someone trained in it's use, and it's of far greater benefit in the hands of medical personnel to avoid them getting sick and creating a shortage of healthcare workers as well a shortage of PPE. Since then the factories have been able to re-tool and ramp up production, and most places have managed to reduce the number of cases so there's less need for PPE in hospitals. FWIW Bunnings, Officeworks etc buy that sort of thing from the same distributors as hospitals,there isn't a separate supply chain. Personally I don't think the messaging was great but it was very clear that medical workers needed masks far far more than the general population and I think it was sensible to discourage people from panic buying them.

3. There are a number of studies being published showing the excess deaths above the long term average. It's a really effective way of seeing through the miscounting, mislabeling and general under reporting of Covid19 deaths. In the US alone the number of excess deaths is about 30,000 in May. The article can be found here if you want to do a bit of independent research: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamain ... le/2767980

4. I'm not sure which Research expert and Head ER Specialist said that but I certainly can't recall a flu season where refrigerated trucks were needed to handle all the bodies in a first world country.

5. Kids can catch it, and pass it on to other people. There's been a few suspected cases of that recently here in Melbourne. In addition, kids seem to sometimes develop a complication where their immune system goes nuts some time after the infection has cleared, which is actually more serious than the initial infection: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... X/fulltext

6. You can't protest, the government at all levels made it very clear they did not support the protests and they fined the organisers. Ideally they'd have fined all the participants too but I can see why they didn't as that could have easily caused it to descend into violence which would have been far more likely to spread the virus with people yelling and spitting and getting their masks ripped off etc. As it happened only 5 people who attended the protests have been found to have Covid, and there is no evidence of any transmission as a result of the protests.

Please do yourself a favour and get away from the YouTube hole. I know conspiracy theories can have a certain allure but in times like this it's really important to rely on people who are across actual facts and not some unaccountable YouTubers grifting off worried folk.

We saw what happens when people fall for this rubbish when the antivaxer movement got hold in Samoa and as a result they suffered an epidemic which killed 80 or so kids who didn't need to die, and has probably caused life long brain damage to a number of the survivors.

[blacklab99]

I won't do a big factual speel on this thread,
But, was that post serious from fishinmiss ??? or what ?
It actually seemed that there was some doubt to media reports about infections and actual deaths that have occurred from this virus, or even its seriousness???.

I'll say one thing, I have a close mate that lives in Mannhatten, If you believe, for one minute, that the deaths that occurred there were Media hype, I'll personally send you the photo's my mate took, of make shift morgues being set up and being loaded with those that didn't make it !!. It will be the most confronting thing you will ever see in your sheltered life !!!
He took these photo's purely for people like you, to grasp the enormity of this virus and to show the antivax brigade, that this is no media hype up or bad flue season... Real people, in devastating numbers, are no longer with us.

Maybe I read the post wrong, or interpreted it in the wrong way ? dunno, maybe.

But a media agenda !! Alleged Covid cases !!! Human rights being destroyed !!!

I gotta stop here before I get banned........
This is why we have a second "wave" or what ever you like to call it, because people like fishinmiss, don't live in reality....

Col

[rb85]

Blacklab this is all fine people should be accountable for misinformation.

[FishnMiss]

For those curious, I do believe peolle are dying from Covid and I do believe it is real, however based on what we are seeing and the fact the Medjcal Experts are stumped is a big concern and they are not instilling confidence in us people.
This thing has the potential to do much harm, yet it appears certain groups are not working together to come up with a genuine solution.

For those who are willing to look a bit further and to see what other medical experts are trying to do with some success, please watch this interview:
https://www.facebook.com/HighWireTalk/v ... 087479735/

Ignorance also abounds to call those out there with legitimate concerns regarding the toxins in vaccines, does not mean they are Anti Vax, but rather Vaccine Concerned.
Please do yourself an informed search on Vaccine injuries, Vaccine Court in USA paying out "No Fault" payouts, CDC losing a Landmark case 2 months ago where they could not prove any evidence to show vaccines do not cause Autism.
Go read what components are in vaccines an please tell me what Doctors would say about each element when bypassing the blood brain barrier.
Read what the potential side effects are for each vaccine.
No Government in the World will do a test for example of Vaccinated kids against Unvaccinated kids - Hmmmm wonder why.
So off you go and trust "Google" to search, who by their own admission control searching for Covid Information and Vaccines as they see fit (Fact).