2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

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Re: 2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

Post by Sebb » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:51 am

4liters wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:59 pm
You could be waiting a while for another second hand Slayer 13. I've only ever seen two of them come up second hand in three years, one of which I know own.
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:40 pm
What type of fishing are you mainly using the yak for?

Each yak has it's positives and negatives; speed, ease of distance pedalling etc..etc..

I use both Native and Hobie, both dominate in their own right.
How stable is the slayer 13 btw? Can you stand?
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Re: 2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

Post by matari » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:13 am

Seb85 wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:51 am
4liters wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:59 pm
You could be waiting a while for another second hand Slayer 13. I've only ever seen two of them come up second hand in three years, one of which I know own.
greggo wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:40 pm
What type of fishing are you mainly using the yak for?

Each yak has it's positives and negatives; speed, ease of distance pedalling etc..etc..

I use both Native and Hobie, both dominate in their own right.
How stable is the slayer 13 btw? Can you stand?
watch this vid seb :thumbsup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHVcP6PURLQ
Cheers Matari

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Re: 2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

Post by Sebb » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:53 am

matari wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:13 am
Seb85 wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:51 am

How stable is the slayer 13 btw? Can you stand?
watch this vid seb :thumbsup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHVcP6PURLQ
Cheers Matari
Cheers, thanks.
It does look pretty stable. Considering he's a big guy (bigger than me anyway).
Not as stable as pa14 or titan I'm guessing, not sure. Titan 10.5 is 95cm wide. Slayer 13 is 85cm wide. Not sure if that 10cm makes a huge difference or not.
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Re: 2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

Post by smokin_reels » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:45 am

Id get a pre 2014 Hobie Outback Seb. Lighter than a PA . Pretty versatile kayak.
You might get a good deal within your budget.
This is the same model that Alex and I have. :thumbsup:
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Re: 2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

Post by Sebb » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:07 am

smokin_reels wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:45 am
Id get a pre 2014 Hobie Outback Seb. Lighter than a PA . Pretty versatile kayak.
You might get a good deal within your budget.
This is the same model that Alex and I have. :thumbsup:
Thanks smoke, but I need the ability to reverse. I believe the old model doesn't have the 180° mirage.
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Re: 2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

Post by smokin_reels » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:15 am

Seb85 wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:07 am
smokin_reels wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:45 am
Id get a pre 2014 Hobie Outback Seb. Lighter than a PA . Pretty versatile kayak.
You might get a good deal within your budget.
This is the same model that Alex and I have. :thumbsup:
Thanks smoke, but I need the ability to reverse. I believe the old model doesn't have the 180° mirage.
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Re: 2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

Post by cheaterparts » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:08 am

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trailer sounds good, no need to lift onto car roof rack, but my car has no tow bar. Another $200-$300 to install a tow bar. Kinda over my budget.
Funny thing I use a trailer on a much lighter kayak one of the reasons it’s quicker to set up and pack up at the launch. Another my car doesn’t smell like a fish market as all my wet gear catch , bait and other stinky things stay on the trailer in the tackle box built on the trailer. One other thing that may come into play parking at ramps could work out as with a trailer there should be free parking in the boat trailer parking. Worth a think about
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Re: 2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

Post by purple5ive » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:17 am

cheaterparts wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:08 am
Seb85 wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:19 pm

trailer sounds good, no need to lift onto car roof rack, but my car has no tow bar. Another $200-$300 to install a tow bar. Kinda over my budget.
Funny thing I use a trailer on a much lighter kayak one of the reasons it’s quicker to set up and pack up at the launch. Another my car doesn’t smell like a fish market as all my wet gear catch , bait and other stinky things stay on the trailer in the tackle box built on the trailer. One other thing that may come into play parking at ramps could work out as with a trailer there should be free parking in the boat trailer parking. Worth a think about
Pros and cons on using a trailer though.

your taking away the versatility of being able to launch a yak almost anywhere there's water if you add a trailer, as you would be limited to where you can park a trailered vehicle.(mainly a problem within the CBD areas)
the main advantage of the yaks is to launch in areas where a boat cannot, and also the ramp fees, the fees are now gone so thats a bonus.

on the other hand, getting a yak up onto the roof racks are not for everyone. besides that if you were in saltwater the water is going to get into the car roof seals and they will rust eventually.

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Re: 2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

Post by 4liters » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:42 am

Seb85 wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:51 am
4liters wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:59 pm
You could be waiting a while for another second hand Slayer 13. I've only ever seen two of them come up second hand in three years, one of which I know own.
greggo wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:40 pm
What type of fishing are you mainly using the yak for?

Each yak has it's positives and negatives; speed, ease of distance pedalling etc..etc..

I use both Native and Hobie, both dominate in their own right.
How stable is the slayer 13 btw? Can you stand?
Yeah, I’m pretty big though and I don’t stand in rough weather
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Re: 2nd hand hobie pa14 vs native watercraft manta ray 12 vs cheap copy

Post by mazman » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:58 am

Seb, I would really narrow down what you are going to be doing on the kayak and which features are essential to how you want to fish and go from there. Personally I like hobie's drive system which is why I went with a hobie, then tested out a few different models and decided that the outback was most suited to the way I fish, admittedly I'm a pretty light guy with reasonable balance but I regularly stand up on the outback (this is 2015 model, I believe 2019 or later is more stable again). A few of the retailers do demo days which is a great way to test out a few different models and see how they are for you.

Hobie have just released the new 360 drive that looks incredible but is way outside your budget but look out for some well kitted out hobie's to hit the second hand market when that drops. They also have a new kickup 180 drive that will be fitted to new kayaks which could be worth saving for depending on your intended use.
smokin_reels wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:45 am
Id get a pre 2014 Hobie Outback Seb. Lighter than a PA . Pretty versatile kayak.
You might get a good deal within your budget.
This is the same model that Alex and I have. :thumbsup:
We have 2015-18 outbacks. 2014 and earlier loses the vantage seat, 2019 and later changes hull shape
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