Easier to rally the mob to fight a physical boogieman than an invisible boogieman, until those around you start to fall it all still seems hypothetical.
Agree with the fact that for many lockdown is no more than an inconvenience, too others it can be potentially dangerous either mentally or physically. Not to mention those who simply dont have the facility
Corona Virus Part 3
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Boonanza
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A smart person knows what to say. A wise person knows whether to say it.
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Bats are lovely creatures, but, they have corona viruses and rabies (not all)
Just don't eat them or kiss them
Cases of rabies in Nth Queensland brought in by fifo overseas bats
Bats were used in America to stop the spread of malaria in the 18 or 1900's,,not sure
Cheers Gra
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An explanation of a likely contact tracing app I have stolen this from another place. Not my words
It has become clear from reading social media that many people have both an irrational fear along with a poor understanding of exactly what any proposed COVID-19 contact tracing app is or how it works.
Firstly, it’s important to understand that this would be a contact tracing app, NOT a tracking app. It would neither know nor care where you are or where you go, only who you came into contact with.
Secondly, It is quite likely that any collected data would be stored on the device itself rather than in a central database. That means you would have total control as to who could access the data.
How does it work?
Although no app is currently available in Australia, there are proposals to publish one so, based on some research, I will try to explain how I believe such an app is likely to work.
Let’s use a simple example.
You would start by downloading and installing the app. You would need to register some contact details such as a phone number and/or an email address where you can be reliably reached. Your device would probably be allocated some sort of identifier code so let’s use the code ABC123 as representing you. This identifier would likely be encrypted and stored securely within the app as well as in a database … which would really only need to know your identifier and your contact details. Nothing else.
Other people also download and install the app and we’ll call them DEF567, GHI345 and XYZ999.
You go out to the supermarket for some essential shopping and DEF567 and GHI345 happen to be there too. You only pass them in the aisle. Your app recognises by using Bluetooth that both DEF567 and GHI345 are within range and their apps recognise that you are within range … but because you’re all only in range of each other for a few seconds, nothing happens. Nothing is stored, nothing captured. No data.
This is important. We know that the predominant mechanism for transfer is via sustained, close contact over several minutes and it’s only those types of contact that the app would be designed to capture.
Later you’re standing in a queue at the Post Office and XYZ999 is also in the queue. Your devices/apps recognise that you’re both within range of each other. It’s a long queue … and once you’ve remained within range of each other for more than around 15 minutes the app logs the fact. Your app stores the fact that XYZ999 was close by for more than 15 minutes and XYZ999’s app stores the fact that you (as ABC123) was within range for more than 15 minutes.
A week later and XYZ999 is feeling unwell. They have symptoms of the virus and get tested … and the result is positive for COVID-19.
The doctors ask them to provide details of who they have come into contact with over the past week so that they might be able to determine where XYZ999 became infected as well as anyone XYZ999 might have passed the virus on to.
XYZ999 does their best but can’t really recall all the details just from memory.
This is where the app comes into play. The doctors note that you have the contact tracing app installed and ask if they can access the data that the app has recorded. XYZ999 gives them permission and the authorities are able to quickly and accurately determine everyone who XYZ999 came into contact with for more than 15 minutes over the past week or so. It’s a huge bonus for the health authorities in working out how the infection is being spread … but it will ONLY work if most people are using the app.
Let’s carry on with our example. The health authorities note that the ID number ABC123 was in contact with the infected XYZ999, so they contact you, let you know you might be at risk, and arrange for you to be tested.
If either you or XYZ999 didn’t have the app you would be none the wiser … and neither would the health authorities and neither would all the other people that you or XYZ999 had contacted over the past week.
If you’re worried about personal data being collected, don’t be. At least one proposal makes it clear that data is likely to be stored on the device … your phone … and that you would need to provide both the device and specific permission for that data to be used. Once the pandemic is over you could simply delete the app along with the data from the device.
Remember also that you can’t access the data yourself as it would likely be encrypted. You would have no way of finding out who XYZ999 was and they would have no way of knowing who ABC123 was.
I hope this makes things clearer and goes some way toward explaining why a contact tracing app is a good thing and not something to be feared … and also why it is so important that the majority of people use the app in order for the system to work.
It has become clear from reading social media that many people have both an irrational fear along with a poor understanding of exactly what any proposed COVID-19 contact tracing app is or how it works.
Firstly, it’s important to understand that this would be a contact tracing app, NOT a tracking app. It would neither know nor care where you are or where you go, only who you came into contact with.
Secondly, It is quite likely that any collected data would be stored on the device itself rather than in a central database. That means you would have total control as to who could access the data.
How does it work?
Although no app is currently available in Australia, there are proposals to publish one so, based on some research, I will try to explain how I believe such an app is likely to work.
Let’s use a simple example.
You would start by downloading and installing the app. You would need to register some contact details such as a phone number and/or an email address where you can be reliably reached. Your device would probably be allocated some sort of identifier code so let’s use the code ABC123 as representing you. This identifier would likely be encrypted and stored securely within the app as well as in a database … which would really only need to know your identifier and your contact details. Nothing else.
Other people also download and install the app and we’ll call them DEF567, GHI345 and XYZ999.
You go out to the supermarket for some essential shopping and DEF567 and GHI345 happen to be there too. You only pass them in the aisle. Your app recognises by using Bluetooth that both DEF567 and GHI345 are within range and their apps recognise that you are within range … but because you’re all only in range of each other for a few seconds, nothing happens. Nothing is stored, nothing captured. No data.
This is important. We know that the predominant mechanism for transfer is via sustained, close contact over several minutes and it’s only those types of contact that the app would be designed to capture.
Later you’re standing in a queue at the Post Office and XYZ999 is also in the queue. Your devices/apps recognise that you’re both within range of each other. It’s a long queue … and once you’ve remained within range of each other for more than around 15 minutes the app logs the fact. Your app stores the fact that XYZ999 was close by for more than 15 minutes and XYZ999’s app stores the fact that you (as ABC123) was within range for more than 15 minutes.
A week later and XYZ999 is feeling unwell. They have symptoms of the virus and get tested … and the result is positive for COVID-19.
The doctors ask them to provide details of who they have come into contact with over the past week so that they might be able to determine where XYZ999 became infected as well as anyone XYZ999 might have passed the virus on to.
XYZ999 does their best but can’t really recall all the details just from memory.
This is where the app comes into play. The doctors note that you have the contact tracing app installed and ask if they can access the data that the app has recorded. XYZ999 gives them permission and the authorities are able to quickly and accurately determine everyone who XYZ999 came into contact with for more than 15 minutes over the past week or so. It’s a huge bonus for the health authorities in working out how the infection is being spread … but it will ONLY work if most people are using the app.
Let’s carry on with our example. The health authorities note that the ID number ABC123 was in contact with the infected XYZ999, so they contact you, let you know you might be at risk, and arrange for you to be tested.
If either you or XYZ999 didn’t have the app you would be none the wiser … and neither would the health authorities and neither would all the other people that you or XYZ999 had contacted over the past week.
If you’re worried about personal data being collected, don’t be. At least one proposal makes it clear that data is likely to be stored on the device … your phone … and that you would need to provide both the device and specific permission for that data to be used. Once the pandemic is over you could simply delete the app along with the data from the device.
Remember also that you can’t access the data yourself as it would likely be encrypted. You would have no way of finding out who XYZ999 was and they would have no way of knowing who ABC123 was.
I hope this makes things clearer and goes some way toward explaining why a contact tracing app is a good thing and not something to be feared … and also why it is so important that the majority of people use the app in order for the system to work.
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gregmaka
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You are very right,i see this every day ,and have canceled every specialist appointment i have for the remaining of the year. And just to add to my disappointment my son in law just got tested on thursday as he has a very bad cold and cough and still waiting for results and is staying at my place with his wife [my daughter] and my grand son. My son in law has been told by His father that he is barred from entering their house as they could not afford to lose there jobs if they became sick also. [healthy people mind you]. These morons have put money before life,as i could die if i were infected period.
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gregmaka wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 3:30 pm
You are very right,i see this every day ,and have canceled every specialist appointment i have for the remaining of the year. And just to add to my disappointment my son in law just got tested on thursday as he has a very bad cold and cough and still waiting for results and is staying at my place with his wife [my daughter] and my grand son. My son in law has been told by His father that he is barred from entering their house as they could not afford to lose there jobs if they became sick also. [healthy people mind you]. These morons have put money before life,as i could die if i were infected period.
I feel for you Greg. We can be as careful as we can , , , , but we are still at the mercy of how others behave as well.
Hopefully it all works out well for you and your family , , , , and if you believe in Karma (I don't unfortunately) hopefully the flees of a thousand Camels infest their armpits (and nether regions
)Shows the Top Bloke and Parent that you are , , , , me, nope, that's why I wish them a thousand flees
Regards, Bill
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Hallelujah brothers and sisters
The wife & I are clear of covid19, influenza a,b,c,d & something else.
We both have been unwell, thankfully not bad.
Cheers Gra
The wife & I are clear of covid19, influenza a,b,c,d & something else.
We both have been unwell, thankfully not bad.
Cheers Gra
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Great to hear Gra
I can hear the relief in your voice , , , , well, I can read it in your Tex , , , , I mean Text
Glad it also wasn't that something else , , , , I had that something else once and the rash lasted for weeks
Cheers, Bill
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Re: Corona Virus Part 3
re-tyred wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:56 pmAn explanation of a likely contact tracing app I have stolen this from another place. Not my words
It has become clear from reading social media that many people have both an irrational fear along with a poor understanding of exactly what any proposed COVID-19 contact tracing app is or how it works.
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If you’re worried about personal data being collected, don’t be. At least one proposal makes it clear that data is likely to be stored on the device … your phone … and that you would need to provide both the device and specific permission for that data to be used. Once the pandemic is over you could simply delete the app along with the data from the device.
Remember also that you can’t access the data yourself as it would likely be encrypted. You would have no way of finding out who XYZ999 was and they would have no way of knowing who ABC123 was.
I hope this makes things clearer and goes some way toward explaining why a contact tracing app is a good thing and not something to be feared … and also why it is so important that the majority of people use the app in order for the system to work.
Mike, I read through the post. I do understand that the first line is you, letting us know that you found it and not your words.
But is that last line yours, or the conclusion that they have provided?
On a "Tracing Ap", the government partly has themselves to blame if we are sceptical of it. They haven't kept too many promises in the past and their "word" has diminished over the spin that they have put on things. And they use "semantics" to hide or mislead the real gist of some things they implement.
No Carbon Tax , , , , then there was a Carbon Tax
No GST , , , , then there was GST
Regards, Bugs