When can Victorians expect to go fishing again?

[cobby]

Out of 5 encounters I've had 4 who were understanding of the situation , , , , and 1 who was nothing but an outright ****

Some are fine, others are on a ridiculous power trip

This is exactly the problem. What is actually a guideline, and a vague one, has been left to the interpretation of the police, which means that inconsistency will be prevalent.

Police aren't robots, tempers flare, egos kick in etc and suddenly an 'i live here' turns into an hour of stuffing about.

I agree

Keeping in mind, the Police don't make the rules/laws but they are the ones that have to enforce them AND contrary to public opinion, the Police would have been given some guild-lines on how to apply them.

Not in our nanny state bug. Our uunwise jumbo sized ear lobed premier has repeatedly said from the very beginning that no one in government will give police any form of lists or guidelines on how to interpret the health departments do's and donts. Its a very real possibility by this time next week, the amount of withdrawn fines will surpass the states death toll from the virus.

[Stumpjumper]

Look at what is going on in the US. That is the consequences of leaving the lockdown until too late. Mass graves in a first world country. Overflowing morgues. They're probably going to go through it all over again unless someone tells Trump to pull his head in over his plan to reopen everything by May.

Most non-sociopathic people do not want that and are happy to take a temporary hit to their social lives and recreation in order to avoid it. They probably went a bit overboard in banning activities like hunting, fishing, watersports etc that don't generally involve much social contact but it's a situation where it's better to err on the side of caution.

No I don't accept that nonsense at all. Questioning this crap does not make me sociopathic or a nanna hater FFS. I tick quite a few of the high risk points for this virus myself sooo. There are no 'mass graves' in the US either, classic fake news. That photo of the trench doing the rounds is not a result of overflowing morgues or any such fear mongering crap mate....that 'mass grave' is on an island that has been used in exactly the same manner to bury those that were unclaimed or too poor to pay for a funeral. Been going on for years.

[4liters]

Look at what is going on in the US. That is the consequences of leaving the lockdown until too late. Mass graves in a first world country. Overflowing morgues. They're probably going to go through it all over again unless someone tells Trump to pull his head in over his plan to reopen everything by May.

Most non-sociopathic people do not want that and are happy to take a temporary hit to their social lives and recreation in order to avoid it. They probably went a bit overboard in banning activities like hunting, fishing, watersports etc that don't generally involve much social contact but it's a situation where it's better to err on the side of caution.

No I don't accept that nonsense at all. Questioning this crap does not make me sociopathic or a nanna hater FFS. I tick quite a few of the high risk points for this virus myself sooo. There are no 'mass graves' in the US either, classic fake news. That photo of the trench doing the rounds is not a result of overflowing morgues or any such fear mongering crap mate....that 'mass grave' is on an island that has been used in exactly the same manner to bury those that were unclaimed or too poor to pay for a funeral. Been going on for years.

There's a bit of selective reading going on there. Yes, that island is used for unclaimed bodies; they don't however tend to dig two new trenches in the space of a week.

If you don't like that, then here is a cheery little graph for you. This really is not something we want to have here, and the lockdowns are absolutely worth it.

[4liters]

I mean if protecting citizens from a deadly pandemic is socialism maybe socialism is a good thing? idk

I think I prefer it to the capitalist solution which seems to be piling bodies of anyone who can't afford treatment at the foot of the alter of the Economy, anyway

[Stumpjumper]

Lockdown isn't what saved us from that graph. It was the proper securing of borders and proper quarantine instead of go home self isolation rubbish. This was only implemented less than a month ago, till then there was not as much as a temperature check of the thousands pouring through airports. And it is a fact that near 80% of all Australian infections were traced to these overseas arrivals....fix that and our graph flattened. I'm all for doing what works.

Socialism is a good thing? How old are you mate, travelled much?

[4liters]

Lockdown isn't what saved us from that graph. It was the proper securing of borders and proper quarantine instead of go home self isolation rubbish. This was only implemented less than a month ago, till then there was not as much as a temperature check of the thousands pouring through airports. And it is a fact that near 80% of all Australian infections were traced to these overseas arrivals....fix that and our graph flattened. I'm all for doing what works.

Socialism is a good thing? How old are you mate, travelled much?

Except lockdowns apparently.

Are you familiar with the concept of exponential growth? You miss a couple of people at the borders and there's no lockdown, that couple of people turns into an awful lot very quickly. We had community spread before the lockdowns started, the only way to stop that is to stop people from coming in contact with other people.

We still have community spread, and it sounds like you're advocating winding back the lockdown which currently would give us a nice little graph like the NY one in a few months time.

[mazman]

Lockdown isn't what saved us from that graph. It was the proper securing of borders and proper quarantine instead of go home self isolation rubbish. This was only implemented less than a month ago, till then there was not as much as a temperature check of the thousands pouring through airports. And it is a fact that near 80% of all Australian infections were traced to these overseas arrivals....fix that and our graph flattened. I'm all for doing what works.

Socialism is a good thing? How old are you mate, travelled much?

Yeah mate it's a foreigners problem, there's no way us mighty australians could have caused the spread of such a shitty disease. I mean it's basically just the flu. /s

Have a look at some other countries that didn't implement lock downs early and see what happens, initially the majority of cases are imported and then there becomes enough local cases for community spread to take over. The introduction of a lockdown is what stopped community spread from continuing to increase the number of cases. It doesn't take many unknown cases with people behaving normally and suddenly you've got a huge problem on your hands

[Stumpjumper]

Yeah I do believe you really do believe in lockdown and socialism. Trading your freedom for the illusion of safety, means you won't get or deserve either.

[Stumpjumper]

Yeah mate it's a foreigners problem, there's no way us mighty australians could have caused the spread of such a shitty disease. I mean it's basically just the flu. /s

I was talking about Australian citizens arriving home that were bringing the China Flu in. And yes, China ultimately owns this gift to the world, thanks to their disgusting high in rodent dietary habits. Not the first time they've gifted the world with this s.it either.

[4liters]

See how much safety the people behind those number on the chart got. You can dish out cliched quips about freedom and safety until the cows come home, it will do as much good stopping the virus as saying god will protect you.

Anyway, since you've got a major hate-on for socialism I'll share an anecdote from when I was working in a former Eastern Bloc country that had undergone reform after the fall of the Berlin Wall and was operating under your standard market economy. The people there were pretty unhappy with the current regime and a lot (not just one or two) really wanted to return to the previous communist model. This was a bit of a surprise because you learn in school history classes about the breadlines etc and I had fully expected them to be fairly enthusiastic about the collapse of their communist regime. Anyway, it turns out that all the freedoms in the world mean nothing if you can't afford to buy food, and the notion of private property is a fairly empty concept if you can't afford to buy a house.

It isn't an isolated attitude as it turns out, surveys consistently show that a lot of people in former Eastern Bloc countries are not in favour of the changes post the fall of the Berlin Wall because a lot of the promises prosperity have been been a bit of an illusion.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... cys-impact